outsider
02-13-2008, 01:52 AM
...What do you see the term resist as? When it says do not resist an evil person, do you interpret it as do not resist fighting back against an evil person, or do not resist them entirely.
If someone hits you and you put up a fight you are resisting them. It is my take that when Jesus said to not even resist that he meant to not even fight the person. Let them have their way. Did Christ resist the cross, Pontius Pilate or the men who brought him to trial? I try to apply a holistic view to the New Testament in as much as I can and so I recall what Jesus resisted and what he didn't resist. He never resisted force.
Neither supercedes the other. Both are part of our Biblical history. Jesus's teachings are the new school yes, but his Sermon on the mount again returns to the fact that he kept saying "You have heard it here" and so on. Speaking directly to his deciples with the term "You". I strongly believe that when he said turn the other cheek he was referring to those who would persecute them on their journey of teaching.
Like I completely see your stance on this, but our entire argument is stemming from our two interpretations of the exact same text we have to agree on that. We can sit here for a 1000 years and neither of us is going to budge.
The prophecies in the OT that predict a messiah, Jeremiah 31:31-34, or Ezekiel 37:26, that will bring a new covenant and peace. Hebrews 8:13 states that the old covenant is obsolete. This is why we can eat non kosher food, don't have the rules of Leviticus to determine what the fabric of our clothing is made of, don't need to sacrifice animals to remove sins or get circumcised. The old rules have had new ones put in their place. They are both of our Biblical history and there is still plenty to learn from the OT but the rules and the covenant given there no longer apply to us.
His Sermon on the Mount was addressing the difference. He was telling them the new rules. He is telling you to sacrifice your ego so that Christ's light might shine on the offender. To live how Christ lived and to move people how he moved them. It isn't to beat someone into submission for attacking you.
Neither of us have to budge to have a discussion. Both of us will come out with new insight at the very least.
If someone hits you and you put up a fight you are resisting them. It is my take that when Jesus said to not even resist that he meant to not even fight the person. Let them have their way. Did Christ resist the cross, Pontius Pilate or the men who brought him to trial? I try to apply a holistic view to the New Testament in as much as I can and so I recall what Jesus resisted and what he didn't resist. He never resisted force.
Neither supercedes the other. Both are part of our Biblical history. Jesus's teachings are the new school yes, but his Sermon on the mount again returns to the fact that he kept saying "You have heard it here" and so on. Speaking directly to his deciples with the term "You". I strongly believe that when he said turn the other cheek he was referring to those who would persecute them on their journey of teaching.
Like I completely see your stance on this, but our entire argument is stemming from our two interpretations of the exact same text we have to agree on that. We can sit here for a 1000 years and neither of us is going to budge.
The prophecies in the OT that predict a messiah, Jeremiah 31:31-34, or Ezekiel 37:26, that will bring a new covenant and peace. Hebrews 8:13 states that the old covenant is obsolete. This is why we can eat non kosher food, don't have the rules of Leviticus to determine what the fabric of our clothing is made of, don't need to sacrifice animals to remove sins or get circumcised. The old rules have had new ones put in their place. They are both of our Biblical history and there is still plenty to learn from the OT but the rules and the covenant given there no longer apply to us.
His Sermon on the Mount was addressing the difference. He was telling them the new rules. He is telling you to sacrifice your ego so that Christ's light might shine on the offender. To live how Christ lived and to move people how he moved them. It isn't to beat someone into submission for attacking you.
Neither of us have to budge to have a discussion. Both of us will come out with new insight at the very least.