CIA man admits waterboarding 'torture'

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If the CIA killed 1000 ahkbars by drowning them in vats of acid, and it saved the life of one child...I'd deem it worth it.

[Tex]

That's not what I said. What I said was that it is irrelevent whether what the waterboardee says or not. The only way the torture stops is when the waterboarder hears what he wants, whether that is the truth or not doesn't matter.

LOL. Fact is, if what Bush and the CIA says is true, that "truth" they gleaned from waterboarding does matter. I don't know how any sane person could say if what's been stated is in reality a fact and the intel was obtained from waterboarding they could say it doesn't matter. It actually does, even if you disagree with the technique employed to get said intel.

They've listed specific examples of how the intel did "matter" and how important it was to our national security and listed specific examples.

You don't like the morality of it, disbelieve the CIA and Bush in what they say, and that I get. You don't like the method we got the intel. Fair enough.

Other than that, what you're stating is pretty comical, in that the end result of the intel we could receive, or have, from this technique is something that doesn't matter. Far from it.

[HaloGuardian]

Have they ever proven that waterboarding was the method used to get said intel?

Have they ever given a hint of proof linking waterboarding to certain evidence?

Have you ever seen any proof besides just what a government representitive tells you that makes you believe that waterboarding was used to protect this country?

I personally think waterboarding is one of the weakest methods used right now, but do I have any facts to back it up? Nope. Why do I believe this is the case? Probably because I'm a cynical prick.

[TheZenMan]

Probably because I'm a cynical prick.

QFT

[outsider]

http://www.statesman.com/news/content/editorial/stories/insight/12/23/1223torturemyths.html