Breaking News: Bin-Laden wins war on Terror.

[Tex]

"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out because I was not a communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew. [. . .] And when they finally came for me, there was no one left to speak out”"

Edit: couldn't remember the whole quote at first.... I think I finally got it right this time...

I see where you're going with the quote, but it's a pretty far stretch from being a scenario that could ever truly occur. At least in this country.

Again, racial profiling is what needs to be done, should be done, and I have no doubt is being done in this situation we find ourselves in.

The people committing these acts have a specific profile. They're not white, they're not Jews, they're not communists, Mexicans, etc.

They're crazy, religious finatics of Middle Eastern descent who want to kill Americans, Jews, and anybody who they believe goes against what they think Allah would deem appropriate.

The "communists," as I'm interpreting your quote, have to be looked at closely because amidst them our enemy lies.

[GoodCitizenDan]

I see where you're going with the quote, but it's a pretty far stretch from being a scenario that could ever truly occur. At least in this country.
I wonder how many times in human history something like this has been said?

I hope you're right...

[Lil Rock N]

"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out because I was not a communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew. [. . .] And when they finally came for me, there was no one left to speak out”"
Edit: couldn't remember the whole quote at first.... I think I finally got it right this time...

I'm a Jew no one came for me.

[chunkreloaded]

It's never happened before to anyone who was innocent right tex? Oh yeah in Waco, it was televised and the government got away with burning down a house filled with men, women and children. But lets just forget that all happened right?

*bends over

Waco was one of the saddest days in American history...

[Tex]

I wonder how many times in human history something like this has been said?

I hope you're right...

Times have changed. The reason I don't buy into these doomsday scenarios is because we live in a technologically advanced age compared to the past. We live in a free society where access to information through the internet, various TV sources, etc., are widespread.

Now, a conspiracy nut might say our society won't be "free" at the rate things are going, but I think it's bullshit.

In the past the populace was easier to control because of a limited access to information. It's why when I see people throwing out these doomsday scenarios it cracks me up. People would rise up against the government, our country would be in chaos, before anything close to what some conspiracy loons say is going to happen transpires.

Before TV, the internet, etc., people lived in a vacuum. It was easy to control a country's people. Not so in today's world. At least in America. I know other places where that's certainly not the case.

[GoodCitizenDan]

Times have changed. The reason I don't buy into these doomsday scenarios is because we live in a technologically advanced age compared to the past. We live in a free society where access to information through the internet, various TV sources, etc., are widespread.
Now, a conspiracy nut might say our society won't be "free" at the rate things are going, but I think it's bullshit.
In the past the populace was easier to control because of a limited access to information. It's why when I see people throwing out these doomsday scenarios it cracks me up. People would rise up against the government, our country would be in chaos, before anything close to what some conspiracy loons say is going to happen transpires.
Before TV, the internet, etc., people lived in a vacuum. It was easy to control a country's people. Not so in today's world. At least in America. I know other places where that's certainly not the case.

People believe what they want to believe, nothing more. The age of information only benefits those willing to find out which information is true.

[TheZenMan]

I just have to say...Tex pwns you kids.

Or is that just what the government wants me to think. :ohnoes:

[HaloGuardian]

No need to give links. I went "hunting" on my own. Just more conspiracy bullcrap.

I understand your government trying to control us like sheep conspiracy theories, but that doesn't relate to "Breaking News: Bin-Laden wins war on Terror," as your thread is titled. It wasn't his purpose. If we go along with the way you think, it would be what's called a byproduct of his actions.

What you're bringing up could be an entirely new thread in my opinion.

So it wasn't in the mainstream media so it didn't happen? The video and 911 calls were fake then?

[outsider]

I just have to say...Tex pwns you kids.

Or is that just what the government wants me to think. :ohnoes:

It's just what you think.

[outsider]

Times have changed. The reason I don't buy into these doomsday scenarios is because we live in a technologically advanced age compared to the past. We live in a free society where access to information through the internet, various TV sources, etc., are widespread.

Now, a conspiracy nut might say our society won't be "free" at the rate things are going, but I think it's bullshit.

In the past the populace was easier to control because of a limited access to information. It's why when I see people throwing out these doomsday scenarios it cracks me up. People would rise up against the government, our country would be in chaos, before anything close to what some conspiracy loons say is going to happen transpires.

Before TV, the internet, etc., people lived in a vacuum. It was easy to control a country's people. Not so in today's world. At least in America. I know other places where that's certainly not the case.

Yes, a vast wealth of information available on the internet... waiting to be called a conspiracy. Many TV sources.... owned by very few people. In the past there were a shitload of radio broadcasts, there was a more diverse ownership of newspapers. Don't be so proud of the present to think you can ignore the past.

People wont rise up against the government, we're all too apathetic to do something like that. People think the right to bear arms is so they can go hunting.

I'd say if anything people are far easier to control today with the dependency on sound bites and talking points. People don't fucking read like they used to anymore, we want our news like we want our food. Fast, bland and full of shit.

[GoodCitizenDan]

So, all this time Osama's goal has been to make it harder for Al-Qaeda operatives to get on airlines to blow them up, along with common, everyday folks, and to make the world live in "fear" so politicians can limit our rights as human beings on this planet?
Brilliant plan. I never would have guessed. What a great "victory," indeed. :hsugh:

I have a question for ya, Tex. What do you think Osama's goal IS?

Obviously, killing people isn't the goal, but simply a means to an end. That holds true for any war. So what is the underlying goal in a terrorist attack?

I know what my answer would be, but I'm curious as to what yours would be.

[GoodCitizenDan]

Yes, a vast wealth of information available on the internet... waiting to be called a conspiracy. Many TV sources.... owned by very few people. In the past there were a shitload of radio broadcasts, there was a more diverse ownership of newspapers. Don't be so proud of the present to think you can ignore the past.

People wont rise up against the government, we're all too apathetic to do something like that. People think the right to bear arms is so they can go hunting.

I'd say if anything people are far easier to control today with the dependency on sound bites and talking points. People don't fucking read like they used to anymore, we want our news like we want our food. Fast, bland and full of shit.

Agreed.

Any reasonable information can be countered by creating a cacophony. Then people will just believe whatever they want to believe.

Case and point: How many people still think the Holocaust didn't happen?

[HaloGuardian]

I have a question for ya, Tex. What do you think Osama's goal IS?

Obviously, killing people isn't the goal, but simply a means to an end. That holds true for any war. So what is the underlying goal in a terrorist attack?

I know what my answer would be, but I'm curious as to what yours would be.

C'mon GCD you didn't get your talking points for this week? It's Muslim control of the western world.

[GoodCitizenDan]

C'mon GCD you didn't get your talking points for this week? It's Muslim control of the western world.

Ya, I believe that like I believe Ned Lamont is the "Al Queda Candidate"
(^^That was actually said by a CNN anchor person last week)

[Gred]

All BS I say, until the evidence proves otherwise.

it's remarkable how inconsistent this sentence is with your stance regarding guantanamo detainees (discussed in another thread). rather than requiring strict evidence in those cases, you were more than happy to trust (in the absence of any evidence), that the administration had properly adjudged all of the detainees' guilt and innocence correctly.

[TheZenMan]

It's just what you think.

Clever, but that's what you think.

[outsider]

Clever, but that's what you think.

Well, you know you shouldn't write something down that you don't mean.

[TheZenMan]

Well, you know you shouldn't write something down that you don't mean.

What?

That I agree with Tex?

I don't buy any of this shit. It's like being so afraid of being had that you create a perpetual victimhood role.

It's a win win for the one who buys it.

[fibula]

I have a question for ya, Tex. What do you think Osama's goal IS?
Obviously, killing people isn't the goal, but simply a means to an end. That holds true for any war. So what is the underlying goal in a terrorist attack?
I know what my answer would be, but I'm curious as to what yours would be.

Perhaps one of the goals of terrorism is to make American people further despise and mistrust their own government.

[GoodCitizenDan]

Perhaps one of the goals of terrorism is to make American people further despise and mistrust their own government.

If that is the case, which could be true, then the knee-jerk reactions of the Bush administration have turned 9/11 into an unqualified success for Osama...