Yay! Supreme court triumphs again!

[Team Brian GB]

That's one of the problems is this idea of a "higher moral standard." You're probably the type of person who believes the atomic bombs we sent into the heart of Japan was a bad decision.

By all accounts that would be considered low on the moral scale, but it sure was effective, wasn't it?

There's countless other examples of our pussyfooting in the war we're waging now that's hurt our efforts.

Now, as far as your little jab about "credibility," I've made my opinion perfectly clear. I don't care about the assholes in Gitmo. Plain and simple.

But there are people that do, and hopefully they can accomplish what they are trying to do. I could care less either way what happens.



As it happens I have heavilly defended the US action of dropping the Atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki- necessary collateral damage to save millions of lives.

Until America does care about applying the same rules and laws against those that they pursue are the same as for the people they govern over, America will never, never defeat the war on terror.

[Tex]

As it happens I have heavilly defended the US action of dropping the Atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki- necessary collateral damage to save millions of lives.

Well, then I was incorrect. But that doesn't go, imo, to your moral highground argument you're espousing here.


Until America does care about applying the same rules and laws against those that they pursue are the same as for the people they govern over, America will never, never defeat the war on terror.

Our military, and government, has bent over backwards to fight the war in a way to be "politically correct" and to take the moral highground. Our military's hands have at times been tied, and honestly no matter what we do it won't make the Islamic extremists satisfied.

As far as the notion to "defeat the war on terror," I don't see it ever happening in our lifetimes, or even my child's, or her kids. Islamic extremism will continue to be a thorn in the world's ass, in my opinion, no matter what we do and last for decades, if not centuries. Of course, I hope I'm wrong.

[Team Brian GB]

Well, then I was incorrect. But that doesn't go, imo, to your moral highground argument you're espousing here.

In World War II the parameters were different as in the war on terror, and you could argue that the moral standards were higher by bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki and thus ending the war quickly with relatively tiny losses had the US had to invade conventionally- it would have made Vietnam look like Childs play.


I agree to a extent what you say on the War of Terror, that the US will never be able to defeat them at least into the ultra-long term, that is why maintaining the moral standard in this case is so incredibly vital. These islamic terorist group act as a vocal point for their respective populations, if these populations at some point in the future become favourable of the US then such radical terrorism will die with it. And by going to war with Iraq and holding people in detention in Guantanamo has only served to fuel their cause. That's why America has to treat people in Guantanamo the same if they ever want the outcome they desire, it really is in their best interests.

[Gred]

All I was putting forward is that I'm sure there's not a lot of innocent "dudes" there compared to ones that were captured during combat operations and the like. Though, I'm sure there are. That happens in this country. Mistakes are made.

Now, if this was happening to our citizens it would cause me concern, having just been wrongly accused of a crime I didn't commit. But call me a heartless bastard, but I really don't give a fuck about these people in Gitmo. Not in the least.

Maybe when you get your law degree you can go over there and defend the shitbags since you're so worried about their civil rights and work to free the ones you believe to be innocent.

so innocent americans being imprisoned is a matter that calls for concern. but innocent foreigners/"shitbags" being imprisoned, no problem. charming.

[HaloGuardian]

I'm in GITMO. plz gimme a fair trial.

-HG

[Tex]

so innocent americans being imprisoned is a matter that calls for concern. but innocent foreigners/"shitbags" being imprisoned, no problem. charming.

Thank you. And actually how innocent are they, really? Brian put up figures that a lot were released. They must have been through some process found to be innocent for that to have happened.

So, why are the others still detained? I guess just because the American Government enjoys detaining innocent people for no reason just for sport and to piss off Muslims around the world. :hsugh:

Your position I also find quite "charming."

You'll also see, if you reread my post, that I called myself a heartless bastard, in that I really don't give a shit about the people in Gitmo.

I do think the wheels of justice could be turning faster, but there must be some reason that's not been the case. I'll be interested to find out why, but to me their welfare isn't a grave concern, as I've previously mentioned.